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Ham-Digital Digest          Fri,  5 Aug 94       Volume 94 : Issue  261

Today's Topics:
                          GIANT Help Wanted
                      Is the KAM 9612 out yet ?
                REJECTED: Ham-Digital Digest V94 #260
                             Tandy 1000EX

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Date: 4 Aug 1994 19:04:14 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!dancer.ca.sandia.gov!cronkite.nersc.gov!fastrac.llnl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov![e-mail]
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    I just happened to run into this news group while looking
    for something.  I am involved in an as yet to be approved or
    funded project called the GIANT array.

    It seems that several of the cosmic ray experiments have seen
    some very high energy events.  Of order 3E20 electron  volts
    or the energy of a well thrown baseball.  It turns out that
    by theory such events are not possible unless they originate
    very near to our galaxy (Well, within 50 mega parsecs - if
    you call that "near") as they should be slowed down to of
    order 1E18 by interaction with the 3 degree background.
    Astronomers do not see a likely candidate nearby.  So there
    is a real mystery.

    A "cosmic ray" is a single something coming in from outer
    space.  Those with higher energy hit atoms in the upper
    atmosphere and create secondary particles.  The secondaries
    hit other particles, etc., and the ones we are looking for
    finally result in of order 1e17 particles spread out over a
    few tens of square miles.  The final particles are a mix of
    muons, electrons, and gamma rays.  The mix is determined by
    the original particle which is most likely a proton or an
    iron nucleus.  Which one it might be is very interesting to
    physics, so the experiment is designed to sort this out by
    attempting to time and identify as many particles as
    possible.

    To study these events an array of detectors is planned.  The
    present design calls for 3000 detectors each about 10' by
    10'.  The detector will likely be a scintillator, lead,
    scintillator sandwich.  We call them Leadburgers, which
    distresses our leader who is a little too straight to
    appreciate the humor, but he is coming around.  The top
    scintillator detects muons and electrons, the bottom
    scintillator detects muons and gamma rays.  The Leadburgers
    will be spaced on a 1 mile hexagonal grid.  A roughly 3000
    square mile device - so we think the term GIANT is
    appropriate.  The whole mess will be placed out in a desert
    somewhere and there will likely be two - one in each
    hemisphere.

    Obviously we will not be able to afford to string power lines
    between all these units, so they must be solar powered.  This
    means very low power electronics.  We will synch them all
    together (GPS has been suggested though I think we can do
    with less) somehow, to 50ns or better.

    The plan has been to use packet switching and time division
    for transmission so that there would be no two stations that
    could hear each other broadcasting at the same time.  (We
    plan to avoid the collision problem by precisely timing all
    transmissions since we need to know time accurately for the
    measurement.)  Thus the reason I was attracted to this news
    group.  As we talk about it, when one detector sees something
    that might be part of a giant shower, he calls up his
    neighbors on his cellular phone and asks them if they saw
    something too.  If  they agree that an event has occurred, it
    is then passed from station to station until it reaches the
    control room.  All this is supervised by a computer (again
    low power) resident in each detector.

    Because the people involved think that way, the project will
    be done on a shoestring.  At the moment we have no money, and
    I am working for the fun of it.  In the end, we hope to do
    the whole project for of order 50M.  So far our leader has
    done pretty well rounding up the few hundred thousand needed
    to bring physicists from around the world to our design study
    so I am optimistic that we will get to do the project if we
    do a good job of design.

    The initial design study will be carried out during the
    first six months of 1995 at Fermilab (near Chicago).  It will
    be a world wide collaboration with physics representatives
    from Australia, UK, Germany, France, Russia (various former
    republics), China, and our leader (a Nobel prize winner) is
    even visiting Viet Nam to try to get really universal support
    from the physics community.  Obviously, the work is not
    classified.

    We are presently building and testing the instrumentation
    that will go into the Leadburgers.  We would soon like to do
    some of the radio transmission tests that will help guide the
    design here at Fermilab.  We also hope to build a few station
    prototype here.  While those involved have experience with
    most things, and indeed it is the pride of the physics
    community that they can do designs of most things on the back
    of an envelope from first principals; we have little
    experience with radio transmission.

    It is obvious from reading this group that Motorola is in our
    back yard, and someplace there is the experience and talent
    that we need.  Also the amateur radio community could help us
    a lot.  I am therefore looking for someone that would want to
    join in this project and give advice and perhaps even do some
    work.  An amateur that wanted to work with us would be very
    useful during preliminary tests if his license can be used
    for the experiments.

    Here is an example of what I would like to test right now.
    We need to know the exact time of arrival of the events.
    This is used to determine the particle path and thus where it
    comes from.  100 nanoseconds and 1.5 kilometer spacing gives
    a path to one degree.  We would like to do somewhat better.
    We already know from tests in Europe, that GPS receivers can
    give time to a few tens of nanoseconds.  Putting a GPS
    receiver on each Leadburger is a bit expensive and takes a
    lot of power which is also expensive.  So we would like to
    perform some tests with a central tower going tick, tick,
    tick, and set up a pair of receivers, phase locked loops,
    etc., and see how well we can match time in a pair of
    receivers spaced some distance apart.

    It is not very likely that a helper will get paid any more
    than I am at the moment.  In particular, this is not the kind
    of project where there will be a lot of pork to be grabbed up
    by some political tagging of funds.  That is what killed the
    SSC.  Hopefully we can keep this project small enough so that
    the porkers do not come after us.  So there is no big profit
    to be expected for a commercial enterprise.  We hope there is
    "GLORY" however, and think that a commercial venture might
    want to be identified with this project.

    I personally am near retirement, and plan to make this my
    entertainment for some time to come.  Cosmic ray research has
    rarely been the hot physics topic, so workers are here
    because they like it and are having fun.  After many years of
    high pressure project work at Fermilab, this looks like fun
    to me.  I really like the people involved.

    Let me know if you are interested, or know someone that is
    interested.  Lots of good technical paper material.  Lots of
    glory. Lots of fun.  No money. (Not quite so bad, if we get
    the project there might be travel to Australia or Chile or
    wherever the southern hemisphere device goes - or even pay
    for real work.)

    Please do not think that you do not qualify just because you
    don't have some degree or other.  We have all the degrees we
    need, what is needed is some good experience and smarts that
    can keep us from making a dumb mistake.  You will find as I
    have that the physicists are quite willing to explain what
    you will need at your particular level.  As an engineer, I
    have long noticed that physicists do not talk to each other
    in complex mathematical notation as they know they will not
    be understood.

    Tom Droege
    [e-mail]

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Date: 3 Aug 1994 20:34:39 GMT
From: newsgw.mentorg.com!wv.mentorg.com![e-mail]
Subject: Is the KAM 9612 out yet ?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve Diggs)  writes:
|> -> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
|> -> From: [e-mail]
|> -> Subject: Is the KAM 9612 out yet ?
|> -> Message-ID: <1994Aug2.170743.1@ugun2a>
|> -> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 15:07:43 GMT
|> ->
|> -> Hi all,
|> ->
|> -> I just wanted to know if the KAM 9612 is out for sale yet ?
|> ->
|> -> Thanks for your info
|> ->
|> -> 73s de Daniel, HB9VBC
|>
|> They were selling like hotcakes at the Atlanta Hamfest, July 22nd. AEA
|> 9612 is a better deal, though.
|>
|> Regards,
|> Steve Diggs, KB4ZTN
|>
|> ----
|> Top Of The Rock BBS - Lilburn, GA         SYSOP: Steve Diggs
|> UUCP: totrbbs.atl.ga.us               Snailmail: 4181 Wash Lee Ct.
|> Phone: [phone]                           Lilburn, GA 30247-7407

Curious why you see the AEA as a better deal?

As far as I can tell from the literature, the AEA can only
run one channel at a time (either 1200 OR 9600) while the
Kantronics can run both at once (both 1200 AND 9600).

   ...  Hank


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Ham-Digital Digest          Thu,  4 Aug 94       Volume 94 : Issue  260

Today's Topics:
                      ??USING MAC WITH KPC-3 AN
                       Amiga, baycom and amicom
                            cheap packet?
                           CQ Net/MAC users
                  Is the KAM 9612 out yet ? (2 msgs)
                 KaGOLD vs. KaGOLD w/pactor (2 msgs)
                        Looking for JVFAX 7.0
                 Upload FAQ MO-MIGA Magneto-Opticals

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Date: 4 Aug 1994 01:41:38 GMT
From: news.sprintlink.net!sun.cais.com![e-mail]
Subject: ??USING MAC WITH KPC-3 AN
To: [e-mail]

Go ahead and use the Mac with the Hostmaster,it works wonderfully.I've
been using that setup for the last 1 1/2 years and have no complaint.
A standard modem cable will work fine with the TNC and the Mac.I get
better results by setting my abaud to 9600...
Will be glad to be of more assistance.Matter fact,I run a BBS that has
a good collection of Ham related sharewae,might want to give it a call
and see if you could use something.
The phone number is 202-298-6009.
Take care...

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Date: 3 Aug 1994 20:12:58 -0500
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Amiga, baycom and amicom
To: [e-mail]

Greetings!  Has anyone out in netland used the baycomm modem with an amiga?  If so did you use it with amicom software or
amiganos?  Did you need to make any mods to the baycom?  Any info is appreciated.

dave
n9uxu

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Date: Tue, 02 Aug 1994 08:51:44 -0400
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!ncar!noao!asuvax!pitstop.mcd.mot.com!mcdphx!schbbs!mothost!lmpsbbs!NewsWatcher![e-mail]
Subject: cheap packet?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob Donnell)
wrote:

> Ross Frederick Blakeney ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>
> : --
> : hello all,  just wondering if there is anyway to use my modem as a TNC
> : if I have a program for the baymod or similar????
> : TIA
> : 73 de VE1RFB
> : -Ross-
>
>
> Sorry, have to say, no, it's not going to work.  The modulation standards
> used for phone modems and packet radio are different.  The closest you could
> come (and it >has< been used before) is to find an obsolete Bell 202 modem
> and modify it for radio interface, TX/RX control, etc.
>
> 73, Bob  KD7NM
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Donnell, kd7nm     [e-mail]   [e-mail]
> Western Washington Amateur IP Address Coordinator   [phone]
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

What do you mean by the word "obsolete" in relatikon to a 202 modem?  It's
still the most popular modem when sending data over any type of radio link.
 The reason being that the 202 is the ONLY modem which does NOT require a
full-duplex (ala phoneline) audio path to hear the modem at the far end
before it considers itself connected.  The reason why 1200/2200 FSK still
remains popular with the amateur packet community is that it works and is
presently the ONLY commercial modem standard that does work!

--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                       <  If this English language is so
>
Motorola LMPS.RNSG.Analog Data           <  precise, why do you drive on a
>
(Square waves & round corners)           <  parkway and park on a driveway?
>
   Any opinions expressed here do not belong to or represent Motorola Inc.
Amateur radio WA8NVW                           NavyMARS NNN0VBH @
NOGBN.NOASI

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Date: 3 Aug 1994 21:27:04 -0400
From: newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com![e-mail]
Subject: CQ Net/MAC users
To: [e-mail]

I have downloaded a copy of net mac and am now configuring it for  my
Mac...

I would like to learn the paths to get connected here in northern
california. The most reliable mountaintop for me is Sonoma Mt on 145.73. I
live in West Marin county.

Anty help (advice), especially about obtaining an IP address would be
appreciated.

Thanks in Advance   KD6ZZM

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Date: 3 Aug 1994 09:35:08 GMT
From:
sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.unomaha.edu!crcnis1.un
l.edu!@@lll-winken.llnl.gov
Subject: Is the KAM 9612 out yet ?
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Steve Diggs)  writes:

>They were selling like hotcakes at the Atlanta Hamfest, July 22nd. AEA
>9612 is a better deal, though.



Okay, I'll bite.  What's a 9612?

Gary

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Date: 3 Aug 94 00:13:00 GMT
From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!wa4mei!totrbbs![e-mail]
Subject: Is the KAM 9612 out yet ?
To: [e-mail]

-> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
-> From: [e-mail]
-> Subject: Is the KAM 9612 out yet ?
-> Message-ID: <1994Aug2.170743.1@ugun2a>
-> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 15:07:43 GMT
->
-> Hi all,
->
-> I just wanted to know if the KAM 9612 is out for sale yet ?
->
-> Thanks for your info
->
-> 73s de Daniel, HB9VBC

They were selling like hotcakes at the Atlanta Hamfest, July 22nd. AEA
9612 is a better deal, though.

Regards,
Steve Diggs, KB4ZTN

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UUCP: totrbbs.atl.ga.us               Snailmail: 4181 Wash Lee Ct.
Phone: [phone]                           Lilburn, GA 30247-7407

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Date: Tue, 02 Aug 94 12:55:22 MST
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!stat![e-mail]
Subject: KaGOLD vs. KaGOLD w/pactor
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Kenneth D Anderson) writes:

>
> I'm thinking of buying one of the GOLD programs to use with my KPC-3.  I'm a
> little confused: Obviously KaGOLD will work fine, but will KaGOLD w/pactor
> work on my KPC-3?  (At a later date, I might want to "upgrade" to a KAM and
> use the pactor functions).
>
> The limited information I have doesn't make it clear.

The pactor option will only work on a KAM, it will not allow pactor to
run on a non-pactor tnc.

david

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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:51:19 GMT
From:
ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!pacifier!news.alpha.net!mvb.saic.com!eskimo!aandh@
network.ucsd.edu
Subject: KaGOLD vs. KaGOLD w/pactor
To: [e-mail]

Hi befor you spend $100 for gold take
a look at xpkam you can download it from KF7XP
bbs at 602 8981058 I think you will find it as good as gold
for a lot less $$$$$$$ 73 Jim K7UDG/UA4PDG
for a lot less $$$$$$$$

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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:38:53 +0200
From: zib-berlin.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!rrze.uni-erlangen.de![e-mail]
Subject: Looking for JVFAX 7.0
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Ron Wright) writes:

>I posted this question a couple of weeks ago and the only responses were
>"I'm looking too, let me know if you find it!".

>so here goes:  Has anyone found the new version of JVFAX....

>The new version is JVFAX 7.0 which I understand was recently released.

>Ron - KA5LUG
>--
Hello dear Ron,
I talked to Eberhard, DK8JV a few days ago.
JVFAX Version 7 will be released within the next two months.
At the present time only "Beta-Releases" of Version 7 were given
to a limited group of persons.
So please "qrx" and keep waiting

73 de Dieter, DF4RD

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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:39:03 +0000
From: pipex!demon!flevel.demon.co.uk![e-mail]
Subject: Upload FAQ MO-MIGA Magneto-Opticals
To: [e-mail]

The following has been uploaded to Aminet (ftp.luth.se).
Please allow usual time to mirror to other sites

References also to running under NETbsd and MSDOS with
BFFSand PCfiling systems and for installation
on PC systems. MO-MIGAs are V. fast magneto opticals
for multimedia/video/animations/digitizing/netserving/cdrom
mastering applications. Preliminary info about 22G Juke boxes
included.


FileName: MO-MIGA.FAQ.lha           ........<note abbreviated filename
                                               for aminet
Short:    Magneto Optical Information - MO-MIGA
Uploader: [e-mail] (David Southwell)
Author:   [e-mail] (David Southwell)
Type:     docs/misc

FAQs about the new MO-MIGA 1.2GB Magneto Optical drive.
Contact addresses and speed tests included.


Also now in ftp.demon.co.uk:/pub/amiga/info/MO-MIGA.2.41.FAQ.lha
                                                       ^^^^^
                                                       note full file name
If anyone wants a copy in either ascii or .lha/.gz/.Z
with .uue encoding please email [e-mail]
with two line in the body of the message:

FAQ_PLEASE

Followed by
MAIL  <ver>    where ver is either ascii or .gz.uue or .lha.uue or .Z.uue



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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 16:38:00 GMT
From: world![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <1994Jul28.163628.9346@hayes>, <31i6qf$[e-mail]>, <31jnlu$[e-mail]>swidi
Subject : Re: GTOR--A big improvement?

In article <31jnlu$[e-mail]>,
James H. Haynes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>In article <31i6qf$[e-mail]>,
>W.F.Schroeder <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In <1994Jul28.163628.9346@hayes> [e-mail] (Bill Coleman) writes:
>>
>>[lines deleted]
>>
>>>> Another tack is a multi-tone system like Piccolo.
>>
>>>Mutiple tones is the way to go for HF. You have to keep the symbol rate low
>
>>Do you have any detailed suggestions?  How many tones?  baud?  protocol?
>>Make it work with the common 500Hz IF filters.
>

As I understand the Telebit PEP protocol (used in Telebit landline modems),
it divides the telephone bandwidth (3kHz) into 512 or so frequencies, then
sends bits down each frequency. I believe they do use phase modulation on
each frequency, since they are set up to send 0,2,4,6, or 8 bits per baud,
per frequency. Given the earlier comments about HF propagation, something
similar but without the phase stuff (i.e. 1 bit per baud) might be interesting,
then restrict the width to the number of distinct frequencies that can
fit in 500Hz.

Telebit uses a TI 320xx chip (I forget which one is in the latest modem) to
generate the waveform. It sounds downright ugly if you accidentally pick
up a phone and listen...

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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 94 12:15:07 -0500
From: news.delphi.com![e-mail]
Subject: Tandy 1000EX
To: [e-mail]

Mike Grose <[e-mail]> writes:

>I have a friend trying to get his packet station going.  He has a Tandy
>1000EX with the memory expansion board giving it 640 ram.  It loads up
>DOS fine, but when he loads up a packet program, it gives an error
>message:Pack File Corrupt. Does anyone have any suggestions on
>correcting this problem. He has an AEA PK232-MBX tnc also.  Any help
>would be appreciated. 73's de KE4CLE.


Without having any info on which program he is using, it sounds
like a bad executeable.  I would suggest that he try a [plain-jane
comm package like PAX (my favorite for just putting around), or
anything else he would use to run a modem.  If he can controll
it with a commpackage, get a new copy of the packet software.
Another good idea would be to check the laptop for viruses!

practice safe computing!

73 de n1qdq

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